Hammond XK-3 (2004)

Ne, ist nicht dazu gekommen. Hat mit den Karten nicht geklappt, der Spezi der sie besorgen wollte hat es versemmelt :(

ciao,
Stefan
 
Some news:

http://users.belgacombusiness.net/hammond/xk-3.htm enthält den Prospekt:
Specs (Temporarily and subject to change)

KEYBOARD 73 (61+12 Preset Keys)
Water-fall Keys with Velocity
Original B-3 reverse-colour preset-keys
DRAWBARS 3 sets of Drawbars, 9-Upper, 9-Lower, 2-Pedal
GENERATOR 96 Digital Tone-wheels
WAVEFORM B-3 Long-loop Sampling (SAME as New Hammond® B-3)
Tone-wheel leakage noise (motor-noise is adjustable wheel by wheel)
POLYPHONY Full polyphony
INTERNAL MEMORY 11 PRESETS x 12 BANKS + CANCEL
LESLIE/VIBRATO Next generation digital Leslie© and scanner vibrato
11-Pin Leslie© speaker-terminal
PREAMP Real dual tube amp for pre-amplification
OVERDRIVE Real dual tube amp for overdrive
REVERB 8-Modes
TONE CONTROL Bass, Mid, Treble
SUSTAIN Pedal Drawbars
WHEEL Pitch Bend, Modulation
CARD SLOT CompactFlash™ Card slot
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....

ciao,
Stefan
 
Aus Zeitgründen konnte ich die Diskussion in der HammondZone zwar nicht mitverfolgen, aber die Beiträge die ich überflogen habe schienen den gleichen Grundton zu haben: Enttäuschung. Das Gerät scheint nicht so toll zu sein, wie es eigentlich sein müßte.

Vielleicht hab ich am WE mal Zeit, alles durchzulesen und Einzelheiten herauszusuchen.

Andre
 
Nach dem zu urteilen, was in anderen Newsgroups gepostet wird, ist es hauptsaechlich die Leslie-Simulation, die den Erwartungen nicht gerecht wird. Es wird berichtet, dass die Firma Hammond auf der Messe einen Leslie-Sim Prototyp praesentiert hat, der noch nicht ausgereift ist. Ob dieser jedoch bis zur Auslieferung der ersten Instrumente verbessert wird, wird allgemein angezweifelt.

Andere meinen, dass die Leslie-Sim absichtlich lahm ist, weil die Firmal Hammond auch Leslies vertreibt, und man sich nicht das Geschaeft verderben will (ob das nun - wenn es denn stimmt - taktisch klug waere, ist eine andere Frage).

Scheint auf alle Faelle ratsam, zumindest das erste OS-Update abzuwarten und dann noch mal die Lage zu peilen. Der Anfangsverkaufspreis von 2200$ ist mir ohnehin etwas zu happig. :cool:
 
Wenn ich das jetzt richtig mitbekommen habe, ging es um die Chorus/Vibrato-Einheit und die Leslie-Sim. Erstere soll wohl jetzt verbessert worden sein, letztere soll z.B. nicht an die in der neuen CX-3 herankommen. Aber ich hab ja endlich ein Dynacord Leslie....

Andre
 
Hallo -

die ersten Seriengeräte sind jetzt in den USA ausgeliefert worden.

In der CloneWheel-Mailingliste haben schon ein paar Kollegen das Gerät - und sind schwer begeistert!

Entgegen der Befürchtung beim Vorseriengerät ist die Lesliesimulation anscheinend Tip-Top und auf einem Level wie die guten Simulationen der neuen CX-3, des Nord Electro und der VK-8.

Zusätzlich zu den in diesem Thread bereits beschriebenen Features (Röhrenpreamp, schwarze Presetkeys, New B-3 Tonerzeugung etc.) gibt es eine Feinjustierung des Chorus/Vibrato und eine Simulation der Tastenkontaktzeiten - pro Ton!

Damit scheint mir das wirklich ein sehr sehr interessantes Gerät zu sein...

Wenn es interessiert, kann ich diesen oder jenen Erfahrungsbericht mit der XK-3 hier als Zitat posten.

ciao,
Stefan
 
Ja, die Berichte hab ich das Wochenende über auch mit Begeisterung gelesen!

Die einzige Frage, die ich noch habe... was wird das Gerät hier in Deutschland kosten?

Andre
 
Wenn es interessiert, kann ich diesen oder jenen Erfahrungsbericht mit der XK-3 hier als Zitat posten.

Ja, mach das doch bitte.

Ich hab bis jetzt einen Bericht im Musicplayer-Forum gelesen und der Besitzer des XK-3 war auch schwer begeistert.
 
Voilà:

Nummer 1
tonysounds schrieb:
Hey Y'all....

Did a couple shows this weekend with the XK3. Before you ask: No, I have not
yet even tried its leslie sim! I haven't plugged it into my Pro-145 yet either.
I've been having too much fun playing it through a real leslie!

Friday morning I did some modifications to my road rig to ready the XK3s
introduction. I use a Motif 8 and an Invisible Keyboard stand. The Motif has
some extruded knobs that need protecting, and even with my Electro, I had
strategically placed 3 islands of gaffers tape and velcro to the Motif so that
when the Electro hangs over the top of the Motif, it doesn't damage those knobs.
I used soft foam with velcro backs between the Motif and Electro which is
plenty as the Electro is so light and small. I had to replace those soft foam
blocks with hard foam blocks (which I was able to do as I had just pulled the
little "shelf" out of the case for my departed Vcombo, and after making the
endblock for the case to now hold my XK3, I had enough hard foam left to do the
job). After gaff taping and velcro-ing the bottom of my XK3, I was ready for
business. The larger girth and weight of the XK3 demanded the hard foam
blocks, and more velcro to the organ itself to safely secure it to the
Invisible Stand. No problems!

The band just obtained a "new" vehicle and this was its maiden voyage...we had
some mechanical problems and arrived later than we wanted, but still in time for
the gig; just not enough time for me to spend cranking and tweaking before show
time. Luckily I had been perusing the manual (a very short read) en route to
the gig, and figured out a couple things I needed to know, such as how to save a
program, which is slightly cumbersome at first...or at least when you're in a
hurry on a dark stage. I went to the last bank which had registrations I
normally wouldn't use (very reedy and tibia-like things) and decided to make
that my go-to bank. I set up a couple programs, and figured just like a real
Hammond, I'd tweak endlessly all nite long.

Man, this thing is AWESOME, simply freakin AWESOME!!! First off, if you're
getting one, you must get the Expression pedal. As much as I liked my FC7 for
my Electro, this thing is a must for the XK3. Like its keyboard, this adds as
much to the realism of the Hammond experience, and playing the XK3's keyboard
and expression pedal is like driving a big Mercedes. Once you've done it, you
know what the fuss is all about.

The combination of the XK3 and Speakeasy and my Bulldog leslie was nothing short
of thrilling. The Speakeasy was singing after getting the added juice of the
XK3 (the Electro's output is very weak and I could never get the overdrive I was
looking for), and hit that thick, creamy grind I was looking for pretty quickly.
YESSSSS!!!!!!

I started with the "Jimmy 1" program as my base, and made a couple adjustments
from there, and saved it to a preset in the last bank. On a couple of our
songs, I have some extreme registration shifts that I would not have been so
adventurous with had I not been playing an Electro when we started putting them
together. Those songs are harder to get right on my real Hammond because of the
number of bars and levels used, but now, saving them to a few black key presets,
and I was totally in business. And what a pleasure it is to have a Hammond that
has more than 2 black key presets I can use!!! Too F N cool!

The tone is much thicker and much much smoother than my Electro, and was
noticeable immediately. Of course the percussion is as well. It has a fatter
thunk than either of my cutdown Hammonds, and I found using the "soft" button
tamed it exquisitely; I could never use the "soft" button on either of my
Hammonds as it would tame it too much. C3 chorus, which I like to use every
once in a while on my Electro but not on my Hammonds, is still a little strong,
but as I noticed from the manual, that can be tamed pretty quickly. C1 sounded
great right away....I used it quite a bit. The overdrive has a dedicated knob
which I found I was playing with all night long....very useful, and in
conjunction with the Speakeasy and leslie, was very musical. It has a groovy
little feature which is an LED under the knob that glows yellow (or was it
green?) at its most minimum setting, glows more amber then red the harder it's
being pushed. Oh yeah, that's another area where this is more like a REAL
Hammond: It's hard to see things in the dark, and you'll find yourself wanting
to learn the layout really quickly to navigate it and get what you want the
first time. The LCD is in the upper left corner, and if you have the XK3
stacked on another keyboard, you won't be able to see it too well. (I couldn't
find a contrast adjustment anywhere either, but you probably don't need: I
couldn't see it so I can't verify that!) No big deal: Just like a real Hammond,
you have black preset keys to save your base settings (except this Hammond won't
require a tech to rewire 6 of them) and you'll learn the location of your
"spices" quick enough: and if you have played a real Hammond for any length of
time, everything is just about in the right place, but like in the case of the
percussion buttons, there are a couple extra little things you want to make sure
you're aware of so that you don't hit the wrong thing. (The split and manual
bass buttons are near the percussion and in the dark at
first, you could accidentally grab them.) The drawbars, which looked to be
kinda funky in pictures, make total sense from a playing POV: The left drawbars
function as the "top manual" or top half of a potential split keyboard and are
comfortable to grab, and the right drawbars are for the "lower manual" or bottom
half of a split, and are in the right place for that exactly. I found myself
disengaging the split on my presets: I don't play LH bass (my bassist despises
when I get anywhere near his space, so I respect that and grab a fist of piano
instead), and the left side of the split is only adjustable by ONE OCTAVE, which
I think is an oversight on Hammond's part. The Electro 73's lower split can be
adjusted by a few octaves, which makes left hand organ comping for your right
piano or organ playing sweet and comfortable as you can keep your left hand on
the left side of your keyboard! You can't do this on a real Hammond though, so
it's not a big deal...I'm used to that dilemma
when I use the cutdowns live, so I'm used to it. It would be a nice update for
the future though.

The keyboard itself is very inspiring to play, and I found myself eschewing my
normal piano parts over the weekend trying new things on the XK3. The band
loves the sound of the Hammond and would probably have no problems with me
playing nothing but organ, however there are still places I think the piano is
the way to go. But still, this thing sounded and felt sooooooo good, that I
couldn't resist when the urge hit, and it hit a lot. After last night's gig,
the guitarist came up to me and said this thing sounded awesome. "Tony, I don't
know nothin, I'm just a guitar player, but that thing growled a lot, and sounded
just....earthier!" (Sounds like he knows plenty to me.) "Plus dude, no offense
or anything, but it looks cooler than that other thing, and it's not red."
(First time I heard anything negative about the Electro...lmao) But he was
right on both counts: it looked a hell of a lot cooler from where I was sitting.
Oh yeah, smears and thwacks sounded correct on this clone:
to my ears, doing smears on the Electro was dicey business; it's almost a
necessity in rock music, but on an Electro, the individual notes in a smear
sound too individual...there's too much seperation, whereas on the XK3, they all
blend into one another.

The midrange on the XK3 is sweet as hell, and I really think the upper range on
the XK3 sounds better than the Electro. As MT pointed out, you can really get
crazy with editing on the XK3 and save your own tonewheel combinations, but
judicious use of drawbars seemed to work just fine for me. At the end of the
night with the volume war, I even found myself using 88888888888 for the end of
a solo; with the overdrive of the XK3 working with the Speakeasy and Leslie, it
sounded big without being shrill, and that's not exactly a favorite sound of
mine.

This thing is beautiful man, that's all I can say. Definitely my favorite
purchase of the last 5 years...in fact the only thing I've enjoyed as much is my
JD990 synth module, and my HammondStore cutdown, but this will get used
infinitely more than both of them. It's definitely a lot heavier than my
Electro (I really noticed that putting it on top of my Motif) but it sounds a
lot heavier too: a fair trade-off as far as I'm concerned. At this point, IMO,
this is the king of the clones (Leslie sim not evaluated of course).

I'm taking my wife and boys out to a Cubs game today for Mothers Day, and of
course it's Sopranos tonite, so the odds are I won't get to play with it any
more this weekend, but tomorrow I'll start playing with it with no leslie to
check out the simulator. And the Pro-145.

Sorry to take up so much bandwidth, but this thing rocks.
T
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....
 
Nummer 2:

tonysounds schrieb:
Subject: Hammond Xk3

I've been cranking this thing up for the last 2 hours. Man, it's sweet.
Cursory observations: The keyboard is a dream. I was a fan of the XK2's
keyboard, and this seems like an improvement on that, but that might be my
imagination after playing the Electro for the last 2 years. It's a soft yet
fast keyboard that feels like it wants to be played.

There are a world of Hammond tones in here I was not able to capture on my
Electro; all the things I liked about the CX3 and VK8 are in here: nice warm
jazzy registrations, thick plunky percussion, and yes, reverb! So far, the C/V
seems to be pretty good, especially C1. C3 is always a bit much for me, but if
I were to play with stopped leslie, that might be different. Everything is
where its supposed to be more or less which is nice. The expression pedal is
sweet (more sweep than my FC7s) and as an added bonus, it has the leslie
"kicker" built right into it: Just tap your foot to the left and you're on
GO/FAST mode; click it again, you're back to slow. It makes me want to try it
without my Speakeasy (I'd have to get an 1122 kit first for my 122 leslies as
the XK3 uses 11 pin connectors), but....I'm not in a big hurry to do that. On
the other hand, Speakeasy does do an 11pin/6pin conversion in the preamp so I
might have to ship it back! Um, STEVE???

Anyway, my son has a game this evening, so I'm going to have to light out of
here. I'll be taking the XK3 to gigs this weekend, so I'll give a fuller review
next week. Lucky for me, the case for my departed VCombo is a perfect fit, with
the addition of one block on the left.

I AM DIGGING THIS BIG TIME!
T
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....


ciao,
Stefan
 
Danke Stefan!

Jetzt bin ich gespannt auf die ersten Kritiken in der Fachpresse.

Leider geht das Geld, das ich fuer das XK-3 eingeplant hatte, gerade fuer eine Autoreparatur drauf (scheiss Achtzylinder). :(
 
Wieder was nettes: ein Vergleich zwischen Nord-Electro, Korg CX-3, NI B-4 und Hammond XK-3 findet ihr hier

ciao,
Stefan
 
Thomann hat die XK-3 jetzt im Programm - für schlappe 2699.00 EUR.... ächz.... vor allem wenn man bedenkt, dass die Kiste in den USA ab $1850 (ca. 1530 €) zu haben ist (siehe hier).

ciao,
Stefan
 
Diesen Bericht hatte ich auch schon gesehen, ich hab' die XK-3 allerdings noch nirgendwo fuer diesen niedrigen Preis geortet. Die Online-Haendler bieten die Kiste uebereinstimmend fuer schlappe $2195 an.

Zumindest duerfte das Modell jetzt in den Laeden zum antesten bereitstehen. Werde mich mal am Wochenende umsehen.

Danke uebrigens fuer den Link! Die Roehrenverzerrung des XK-3 klingt erwartungsgemaess super, aber dem Leslie-Effekt scheint es etwas an Tiefe zu fehlen (verglichen mit der B4).
 
Grrrr .... hab am Samstag die einschlaegigen Musikgeschaefte in New York abgeklappert, aber kein Haendler hatte die XK-3 im Geschaeft (und keiner wusste, ob und wenn sie ein Exemplar geliefert bekommen). :mad:

Auf Harmony Central sind bereits drei Kritiken geposted. Bis jetzt eine klare 10 in allen Bereichen! :cool:
 
Wenn man schon in New York ist sollte man auch eine richtige spielen ;)
 
Ich weiss, ich weiss...

Ich muss zu meiner Schande gestehen, dass ich noch nie eine richtige Hammond gespielt hab. :(

Dabei steht hier in fast jeder Kirche eine rum (Gospelmusik und so). Das Problem ist leider der Hautauschlag, den ich jedesmal beim Betreten eines Gotteshauses bekomme. ;)
 
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